thanks for the reply, pretty much what I figured.Q:where do you find the text browser(lynx) ? and is it free?Q:say the site is not only a flash file - logo at the top is flash and a flash navigation menu -just by having flash on my page will not hurt the google ranking? or does it just skip it like nothing is there?I also have a sitemap with html links at the bottom of the pagealso the flash object code looks like this<!--url's used in the movie--><!--text used in the movie--><!--<p align="left"></p>--><!-- saved from url=(0013)about:internet --><object classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000" codebase="http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=8,0,0,0" width="165" height="300" id="menutest" align="middle"><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="sameDomain" /><param name="movie" value="menu.swf" /><param name="quality" value="high" /><param name="bgcolor" value="#000000" /><embed src="menu.swf" quality="high" bgcolor="#000000" width="165" height="300" name="menu" align="middle" allowScriptAccess="sameDomain" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer" /></object>at the top where it says text used in movie, and url's can you add the text there and then the search engine can read it?