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will do niche, at the moment i don't have any because i'm not doing anything apart from following tutorials.

No that's not the type of programmer i want to be. But, look at this job description below, They seem to want people who know everything for 30 grand a year. surly what they are going to get is a copy n paste guy. Key responsibilities include: • To build, enhance and maintain websites• Design graphics, emails and web pages• Amend, code and test email campaigns• Share expertise and knowledge of latest web trends and technologies• Respond to design and CSS related support enquiries • Work under direction of the digital team leader• Wire-framing, creating site maps and UXTo qualify, our client is looking for a candidate who has experience in:• Adobe Creative Suite• HTML5• CSS• Email coding• FlashWith knowledge of:• CMS• PHP/.net• JQuery• SQL• Javascript

bodgit and scarper is the saying, i guess it generally refers to builders that don't really know what they are doing or don't care. They do a job that on the surface looks good but it all falls apart after a few weeks, but by then they are long gone with your money.

surely cut, paste and scarper techniques are low level first steps into the world of programming, but i agree they are not really programmers.However even if you know javascript inside out, it would be pointless in writing code from scratch each time when you have perfectly good code that you can cut and paste. The whole idea of OOP is to reuse code. Redesigning the wheel benefits no one and waists time. There will always be a need for experts, when the NHS used cut, paste and scarper programmers to update their database system they totally trashed it, (mixing up records) experts were called in and the whole database had to be recreated. so cut paste and scarper is going on at all levels.

php and sql is starting to get a little bit tricky. why do they make life so complicated? surly there is an easier way then this. Some say that you dont need to know how things work, just that they do. Cut, past and scarper.

i agree niche! im working my though a book now which covers both sql and php, and so far so good. had a good day yesterday when my 3 year wasn't around. its almost impossible to learn new stuff with him around. i haven't done any of this stuff, java, php, sql for 12 years. just been making flash websites since uni. They say the only thing that is constant is change, i thought flash was here to stay. (may make a come back who knows) Have you ever thought about moving to a remote part of alaska niche and living off the land and being one with nature?

Database connection established!!!!!! yes.....oh yes.....show me what you got baby......i want it all.......give me your data..... someone who isn't me reaches for his meth pipe. And there was me thinking about jumping in front of a bus.

i like php i do, i like php it's true, i like php and you.

cheers JamesB

<?php class Car { var $color; function Car($color="green") { $this->color = $color; ---------------- what does this line mean? it doesn't explain it! } function what_color() { return $this->color; } } ?>

A Book....PHP & MySQL- Novice to Ninja, 5th Edition.... flicking though the pages feels so good, it doesn't get any better then this! i have to say that i don't think much of the tutorials on here, i got stuck with sql then started on php all fine until i got to php objects. it doesn't explain what each line of code does and i refuse to move on if i don't understand it. Anyway this book so far explains everything line by line, you've got to love it.

ooh i like var_dump and who wouldnt

thanks justsomeguyi think im going to DROP sql (haha) and move on to php i will zip thought that.

i flew though the javascript tutorial no problem, thought i would do something else before i do jquery or php just to have a break. thought sql would be easy but no luck. i dont have a problem with single tables, all makes sense. a bit confused with the apostrophes above but when it comes to joins and inner joins i am totally lost. its making me think i don't really understand data bases at all.

am i hallucinating apostrophes? whats going on here???