I do agree with you totally, i have been researching on my own came across this site which is one of if not the best one i ran into amoung a few other good ones. And this forum is just the best for a real time personal answer with very generous folks like yourself, which its better than a teacher its like 1000 teachers. I just feel that having that degree gives you a bit more leverage over others, although your portfolio is the ultimate desicion maker something dwells inside of me thinking a portfolio will be over looked because therere is no degree to back it up. Could i be over thinking it? Yes, haha but i may be getting ahead of myself. I do feel that a person learns better when searching for what they want to learn then when someone tells them what to learn. ######, I have a friend who is in his 3rd year of college for graphic arts/web design and i am helping him with his porfolio its crazy what he doesnt know. but that could be him not the school. Thanks Beon!