Oh, the findDOM just checks the browser type inside of it. It runs document.getElementById() inside of it and returns the element found (unless under specific circumstances, which in this case it isn't).I just tried it with style, still coming up with the same results. Using the > objRef.style.getHeight method I get undefined, come up with "" on straight property access > objRef.style.height.Is there something that specifically that will check it's actual length? The browser knows the length, it has to so it can render so I figure it exsists somewhere. The DOM seems to just access what is written, not what it actually is. I think this would be the same case if I hard coded the height too short, it would take it as a minimum height and expand it anyways, but the value of that expanded length has to be somewhere.