lol ok thx for your help, thx to you I will be able to show off my skills, next thing I learn (after I master html if that ever happens) is animation, that looks cool, who knows I may someday make some money with it. I'm sorry for the trouble though, only being 15 and never realy paid attention to coding, it was like a baby jumping off the high dive lol but you walked me through it and I am greatly appreciative. thank you.