thanks for reply, hopefully we'll start going into css morein the next lesson of our course..looking here alot more is done using css, aspecailly as there needs to be more precision in designig websites. At the moment to design this simple site i had to create nested tables and cells. I have to create empty cells so I could place a table andalign where I wanted the menus to be, there is probablya much easier way with css for positioning elements.thanks for your help really appreciated!!lister