johnmw1 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Hi,First time post, and first time attempt at creating a supposed web page using very basic Html. I say supposed because in reality this is an assignment I have to have handed in by mid next week.My question is I have created and done all the coding, but I'm having problems cleaning it all up and trying to move a couple of images around at the bottom of the page to spread them out a bit so as they are not beside one another. Also one other image I have in a table further up the page I want to move across to the right a bit.I have attempted tables but in reality I think I have stuffed them up. Being dyslexic I'm really struggling with html as it all kind of runs into each other and I just find it a bit intimidating trying to lay it out in an orderly fashion and then see instantly what needs correcting if Ive done something wrong.Not sure of the netiquette for presenting code on here for others to have a look at so I shall wait for someone to point me in the right direction!Cheers and thanks for any help in advance. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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johnmw1 Posted August 21, 2009 Author Share Posted August 21, 2009 [code]paste your code here[/code]Thanks Deirdre's Dad <html><head><title>The World's Largest Dump Truck</title></head><body background="beige107.jpg"><font color="#000066"><center><b><h2>John M Wenham<br>Student ID:0263051<br>Date:26/08/09</center></b></h2><p><h1><center><u>Caterpillar 797 World's Largest Dump Truck</u></center></h1><p>The Caterpillar 797B is an ultra class mining truck manufactured by Caterpillar Inc. The 797B is one of the largest mechanical dump trucks in the world.This truck is so large that it cannot be driven on highways to the worksite, but must be transported in pieces and constructed there. A single tire of the Caterpillar 797B (the Michelin 59/80R63), costs $40,000, and is 13 feet (4 m) high.</p><hr width=100%><p><h2><u><i>Background</i></u></h2>Caterpillar developed the 797 for the tar sands industry. When then former Cat CEO Glen Barton was asked what was the development for the 797 he gave this answer: "tar sands". In the tar sands field companies like Syncrude, Suncor and Albian have bought many Caterpillar 797s since its introduction. Today the 797/797B/797F is operating in locales such as Chile, Australia, Indonesia, Canadian Tar Sands and the Powder River Basin area of north-eastern Wyoming and south-eastern Montana.</p><p>The engine in the 797/797B is a 3524B which costs $600,000 and is made at Caterpillar's LEC (Large Engine Center) in Lafayette, Indiana. This particular engine is basically a pair of 3512 diesel engines hooked up to form the 24 cylinder 3524B. The 3512 has powered the 150 ton 785, 785B and the 785C since its introduction in late 1984. It is 3,158 cubic inches and is a V-12 diesel. During MINExpo International in Las Vegas, <img src="Cat-797-1.jpg" align="right">Nevada Caterpillar introduced a new 797F off-highway hauler. This has the C175 diesel which is 4,000hp and 6,469 cid which replaced the 3524B in the 797B.</p>The 797 is equipped with a torque converter transmission coupled to a seven speed planetary gearset gearbox (plus reverse) which is controlled by a computer.</p><p>The engine delivers the power to a torque converter which is attached to its rear. Then, the drive is transmitted down a propeller shaft to the rear axle/gearbox unit. The gearbox, differential and axle all form one unit.In common with most large trucks, the axle has reduction gearing within each wheel hub to further reduce the speed of the drive to the wheels.</p><p>This gearbox configuration is the same as used on an automatic gearbox in passenger cars, except that in passenger vehicles the torque converter and planetary gearbox are a single unit, attached to the rear of the engine. Designing the axle and gearbox as a single unit and the torque converter separate, is unusual and takes place only where circumstance dictates.</p><p>Caterpillar offer a choice of transmission on some models of these trucks so that the customer may select the transmission which will give the best performance on the terrain at their mine (flat ground versus steep inclines, rough ground versus smooth, long flat runs versus short twisty inclines). The computer controlled lock-up on the torque converter allows the transmission to lock the torque converter, preventing slippage, so that the wheels are driven directly by the engine as if it were a manual gearbox. This provides for greater fuel efficiency than either a torque converter or an electric drive.</p><p>Caterpillar is testing an electric drive 797B off-highway hauler. Caterpillar displayed a new 797F in the 380-400 ton range at Minexpo 2008 during 9/22-24 in Las Vegas, Nevada. Cat also showed the new 345 ton 795F AC electric drive off-highway hauler at the same mining show according to The Peoria Journal Star of September 20, 2008. Industry trade magazine Engineering and Mining Journal in its November 2008 did a full story on pages 30-69 about Minexpo 2008 in Las Vegas. Caterpillar announced in 2006-2007 that they will be producing an electric drive system in some of their larger off-highway haulers. This new electric hauler will be known as the 795 and can carry between 320-350 tons. The first of the 795s are being built in Decatur, Illinois, and were first produced in late April early May, 2008. The 795F is only offered as a AC electric drive hauler. The new 5,187 cid 16 cylinder C175 engine powers the 3,400hp hauler. The 795F's capacity is 345 tons which is just 5 tons lower the famous Terex Titan 33-19 from GM, built in 1974. Page 34 of The November Engineering and Mining Journal states the capacity of the new 795F is 345 tons. The new 797F is 4,000hp making it the most powerful off-highway hauler in the world. The 797F also got a new engine in the 20 cylinder C175 which is 6,469 cubic inches according to Cat.com. The new 797F is the first off-highway hauler with over 4,000hp.</p><hr width=100%><p><img src="Cat 797 small.jpg"height="200" width="200"align="left"><h2><u><i>Manufacture</i></u></h2>In late June 2008 The National Geographic Channel did a series on ultimate factories where fire trucks, John Deere combines, were featured. An hour of this series was dedicated to the Caterpillar 797B with Kevin Moore as host.</p><p>The viewers were taken through 6 different factories: Lafayette, Indiana; Decatur and Joliet, Illinois; Lexington, South Carolina; Amite, Louisiana; and Fort McMurray, Alberta, Canada. The huge 3524B engine is made in Lafayette. The largest frame component is cast in Amite, Louisiana. The cab is made in Joliet, Illinois. The frame is welded together and the engine is installed in Decatur, Illinois. The huge Michelin tires are made in Lexington, South Carolina. And finally the dump body and final assembly takes place at the mine site.</p><br><hr width=100%><H2><u><i>Competition</i></u></h2><p>The nearest competitors to the Caterpillar 797F are the Liebherr T-282 dump truck which can hold 400 short tons or 360 metric tonnes, the Terex MT5500 and MT6300, the Hitachi EH5000 and the Komatsu 960E. The 960E appeared at Komatsuamerica.com in late may 2008.The Terex MT5500 is 2700/2478 hp and can carry 360 tons. The 400 ton Terex MT6300 is 3,750 hp (2,800 kW) making it the second most powerful off-highway hauler on the market. The MT5500 is 2,700/2,478 hp and can carry 360 tons. The Hitachi EH5000 is 2700/2600 hp and can carry 351 tons.The Komatsu 960E is 3,500 hp (2,600 kW) and can carry 360 tons.</p><hr width=100%><br><table border="0"><tr> <td> <font color="#000066"><img src="c166974.jpg"height="300" width="300"align="right"><h2><u><i>Stats</i></u></h2>List of statistics for the 797B:<ul> <li>Gross machine operating weight: 1,375,000 lb (623,700 kg)</li> <li>Payload weight: 380 short tons (345 t)</li> <li>Drive: 3524B Series, 24-cylinder, four-stroke diesel engine</li> <li>Max speed: 42 mph (67 km/h)</li> <li>Power: 3,550 hp (2,650 kW)</li> <li>Suspension: independent, self-contained, oil-pneumatic suspension cylinder on each wheel</li> <li>Height empty: 24 ft 11 in (7.6 m)</li> <li>Length: 47 ft 5 in (14.5 m)</li> <li>Body width: 32 ft (9.8 m)</li> <li>Dumping height: 50 ft 2 in (15.3 m)</li> <li>Fuel capacity: 1,800 US gallons (6,800 L)</li> <li>Cost: $4.7 million to $5.6 million U.S. Dollars</li> </td><p><br></ul><hr width=100%><hr width=100%><p><br><table border="0"><tr> <td> <font color="#000066"><H2><u><i>Key Benefits & Features</i></u></h2><ol> <li>Power Train - Engine</li> <li>Power Train - Transmission</li> <li>Engine/Power Train Integration</li> <li>Caterpillar Brake System</li> <li>Sructures</li> <li>Operator's Station</li> <li>Monitoring System</li> <li>Truck Body Systems</li> <li>Serviceability</li> <li>Safety</li> <li>Customer Support</li></ol></td><td> </td><td><center><object width="445" height="364"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/GDqLp7DmL4g&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&border=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/GDqLp7DmL4g&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&border=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="445" height="364"></embed></object></center></td></tr></table><p><hr width=100%><H2><u><i>Things Not To Do On A Mine Site In a Truck!</i></u></h2><object width="445" height="364"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ecl8pkjrY1Y&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&border=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ecl8pkjrY1Y&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&border=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="445" height="364"></embed></object><object width="445" height="364><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/F5v7PEoVbfM&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&border=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/F5v7PEoVbfM&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&border=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="445" height="364"></embed></object><p><hr width=100%><p><h1><center><u>The End</u></center></h1></font></body></html> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danm68 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 I cleaned up your code and it also now validates.Not sure about what is easier for you to read. Largely spaced out text or bunches? I just kind of spaced some sections out and its all indented, so hopefully that helps.If you want to move stuff around your page, have a look at CSS. http://w3schools.com/cssMaybe you want to revise some things on your page? I cleaned up your tables, and if you have a look at them they're kind of pointless.And also, tables should not be used for layout.You've also got this big ugly block of ' ' which look like its being used to push the other table cell across.Check out CSS. <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN""http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"><html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en"> <head> <title>The World's Largest Dump Truck</title> <style type="text/css"> body{color: #000066;background: url('beige107.jpg');} .u-line{text-decoration: underline;} .center{text-align: center;} hr{width: 100%;} .left{float:left;} .right{float:right;} </style> </head> <body> <h2 class="center"> <b> John M Wenham<br /> Student ID:0263051<br /> Date:26/08/09 </b> </h2> <h1 class="u-line center"> Caterpillar 797 World's Largest Dump Truck </h1> <p> The Caterpillar 797B is an ultra class mining truck manufactured by Caterpillar Inc. The 797B is one of the largest mechanical dump trucksin the world. This truck is so large that it cannot be driven on highways to the worksite, but must be transported in pieces and constructed there. A single tire of the Caterpillar 797B (the Michelin 59/80R63), costs $40,000, and is 13 feet (4 m) high. </p> <hr /> <h2 class="u-line"> <i> Background </i> </h2> <p> Caterpillar developed the 797 for the tar sands industry. When then former Cat CEO Glen Barton was asked what was the development for the 797 he gave this answer: "tar sands". In the tar sands field companies like Syncrude, Suncor and Albian have bought many Caterpillar 797s since its introduction. Today the 797/797B/797F is operating in locales such as Chile, Australia, Indonesia, Canadian Tar Sands and the Powder River Basin area of north-eastern Wyoming and south-eastern Montana. </p> <p> The engine in the 797/797B is a 3524B which costs $600,000 and is made at Caterpillar's LEC (Large Engine Center) in Lafayette, Indiana. This particular engine is basically a pair of 3512 diesel engines hooked up to form the 24 cylinder 3524B. The 3512 has powered the 150 ton 785, 785B and the 785C since its introduction in late 1984. It is 3,158 cubic inches and is a V-12 diesel. During MINExpo International in Las Vegas, <img src="Cat-797-1.jpg" class="right" alt="image" /> Nevada Caterpillar introduced a new 797F off-highway hauler. This has the C175 diesel which is 4,000hp and 6,469 cid which replaced the 3524B in the 797B. </p> <p> The 797 is equipped with a torque converter transmission coupled to a seven speed planetary gearset gearbox (plus reverse) which is controlled by a computer. </p> <p> The engine delivers the power to a torque converter which is attached to its rear. Then, the drive is transmitted down a propeller shaft to the rear axle/gearbox unit. The gearbox, differential and axle all form one unit.In common with most large trucks, the axle has reduction gearing within each wheel hub to further reduce the speed of the drive to the wheels. </p> <p> This gearbox configuration is the same as used on an automatic gearbox in passenger cars, except that in passenger vehicles the torque converter and planetary gearbox are a single unit, attached to the rear of the engine. Designing the axle and gearbox as a single unit and the torque converter separate, is unusual and takes place only where circumstance dictates. </p> <p> Caterpillar offer a choice of transmission on some models of these trucks so that the customer may select the transmission which will give the best performance on the terrain at their mine (flat ground versus steep inclines, rough ground versus smooth, long flat runs versus short twisty inclines). The computer controlled lock-up on the torque converter allows the transmission to lock the torque converter, preventing slippage, so that the wheels are driven directly by the engine as if it were a manual gearbox. This provides for greater fuel efficiency than either a torque converter or an electric drive. </p> <p> Caterpillar is testing an electric drive 797B off-highway hauler. Caterpillar displayed a new 797F in the 380-400 ton range at Minexpo 2008 during 9/22-24 in Las Vegas, Nevada. Cat also showed the new 345 ton 795F AC electric drive off-highway hauler at the same mining show according to The Peoria Journal Star of September 20, 2008. Industry trade magazine Engineering and Mining Journal in its November 2008 did a full story on pages 30-69 about Minexpo 2008 in Las Vegas. Caterpillar announced in 2006-2007 that they will be producing an electric drive system in some of their larger off-highway haulers. This new electric hauler will be known as the 795 and can carry between 320-350 tons. The first of the 795s are being built in Decatur, Illinois, and were first produced in late April early May, 2008. The 795F is only offered as a AC electric drive hauler. The new 5,187 cid 16 cylinder C175 engine powers the 3,400hp hauler. The 795F's capacity is 345 tons which is just 5 tons lower the famous Terex Titan 33-19 from GM, built in 1974. Page 34 of The November Engineering and Mining Journal states the capacity of the new 795F is 345 tons. The new 797F is 4,000hp making it the most powerful off-highway hauler in the world. The 797F also got a new engine in the 20 cylinder C175 which is 6,469 cubic inches according to Cat.com. The new 797F is the first off-highway hauler with over 4,000hp. </p> <hr /> <p> <img src="Cat 797 small.jpg" height="200" width="200" class="left" alt="image" /> </p> <h2 class="u-line"> <i> Manufacture </i> </h2> <p> In late June 2008 The National Geographic Channel did a series on ultimate factories where fire trucks, John Deere combines, were featured. An hour of this series was dedicated to the Caterpillar 797B with Kevin Moore as host. </p> <p> The viewers were taken through 6 different factories: Lafayette, Indiana; Decatur and Joliet, Illinois; Lexington, South Carolina; Amite, Louisiana; and Fort McMurray, Alberta, Canada. The huge 3524B engine is made in Lafayette. The largest frame component is cast in Amite, Louisiana. The cab is made in Joliet, Illinois. The frame is welded together and the engine is installed in Decatur, Illinois. The huge Michelin tires are made in Lexington, South Carolina. And finally the dump body and final assembly takes place at the mine site. </p> <hr /> <h2 class="u-line"> <i> Competition </i> </h2> <p> The nearest competitors to the Caterpillar 797F are the Liebherr T-282 dump truck which can hold 400 short tons or 360 metric tonnes, the Terex MT5500 and MT6300, the Hitachi EH5000 and the Komatsu 960E. The 960E appeared at Komatsuamerica.com in late may 2008. The Terex MT5500 is 2700/2478 hp and can carry 360 tons. The 400 ton Terex MT6300 is 3,750 hp (2,800 kW) making it the second most powerful off-highway hauler on the market. The MT5500 is 2,700/2,478 hp and can carry 360 tons. The Hitachi EH5000 is 2700/2600 hp and can carry 351 tons. The Komatsu 960E is 3,500 hp (2,600 kW) and can carry 360 tons. </p> <hr /> <table border="0"> <tr> <td> <img src="c166974.jpg" height="300" width="300" class="right" alt="image" /> <h2 class="u-line"> <i> Stats </i> </h2> <p> List of statistics for the 797B: </p> <ul> <li>Gross machine operating weight: 1,375,000 lb (623,700 kg)</li> <li>Payload weight: 380 short tons (345 t)</li> <li>Drive: 3524B Series, 24-cylinder, four-stroke diesel engine</li> <li>Max speed: 42 mph (67 km/h)</li> <li>Power: 3,550 hp (2,650 kW)</li> <li>Suspension: independent, self-contained, oil-pneumatic suspension cylinder on each wheel</li> <li>Height empty: 24 ft 11 in (7.6 m)</li> <li>Length: 47 ft 5 in (14.5 m)</li> <li>Body width: 32 ft (9.8 m)</li> <li>Dumping height: 50 ft 2 in (15.3 m)</li> <li>Fuel capacity: 1,800 US gallons (6,800 L)</li> <li>Cost: $4.7 million to $5.6 million U.S. Dollars</li> </ul> </td> </tr> </table> <hr /> <hr /> <table border="0"> <tr> <td> <h2 class="u-line"> <i> Key Benefits & Features </i> </h2> <ol> <li>Power Train - Engine</li> <li>Power Train - Transmission</li> <li>Engine/Power Train Integration</li> <li>Caterpillar Brake System</li> <li>Sructures</li> <li>Operator's Station</li> <li>Monitoring System</li> <li>Truck Body Systems</li> <li>Serviceability</li> <li>Safety</li> <li>Customer Support</li> </ol> </td> <td> </td> <td> <object style="center" width="445" height="364" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://www.youtube.com/v/GDqLp7DmL4g&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&border=1"> <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/GDqLp7DmL4g&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&border=1" /> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /> <param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /> </object> </td> </tr> </table> <hr /> <h2 class="underline"> <i> Things Not To Do On A Mine Site In a Truck! </i> </h2> <p> <object width="445" height="364" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://www.youtube.com/v/ecl8pkjrY1Y&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&border=1"> <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ecl8pkjrY1Y&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&border=1" /> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /> <param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /> </object> <object width="445" height="364" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://www.youtube.com/v/F5v7PEoVbfM&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&border=1"> <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/F5v7PEoVbfM&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&border=1" /> <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true" /> <param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /> </object> </p> <hr /> <h1 class="u-line center"> The End </h1> </body></html> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmw1 Posted August 21, 2009 Author Share Posted August 21, 2009 Hi Reiyan,Thanks for that. Of course it suddenly hit me during the night that my first three images and background and text cannot be seen by anyone on this forum as I have them linked to my HTML folder and therefore does not show clearly what I was trying to present, perhaps I should have just put the whole folder here instead?We are being assessed mainly on layout and tidiness of the layout with nice even spacing etc so as the lecturer can read it easily and he also has a set criteria of what he wants to see in the assignment. It also helps my particular problem (a bit) otherwise it just becomes a jumble of words for me and I can't really see anything. I think the lecturer would also kind of guess that I had a lot of help on this if I suddenly presented him with a professional layout such as yours. I would love to be able to have the time to learn CSS but given the schedule and the brick wall I seem to have hit learning wise of late I think I just need to get the basics with HTML for now, but holidays are coming up soon so perhaps I can have a look at it then.And yes you're right I was using that block of " " to try and shift that table cell across to try and even up the table look. There probably is a much better way of doing it but that was all I could find at the time and I am sort of learning this on the fly so to speak.Anyway again I thank you big time for your effort it's most certainly appreciated.CheersJohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danm68 Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Your welcome, it didn't take that long. And not professional , just laid out a bit better.And if your assessed on layout and tidiness, maybe make the overall width narrower and choose a sans-serif font. In a nutshell you want sans-serif for reading on the web, serif for reading on paper. And possibly edit your paragraphs. Make them shorter and cut some stuff out. If your not being assessed on content, don't worry about it, leave them as they are, if you are, try googling 'writing for the web'.If you want to change it back, just remove the xml tag at the top, the DOCTYPE, and the html attributes [xmlns and xml:lang], add the font tags back in, maybe wrapping the whole document, or just around paragraphs if you can be bothered , and add width="100%" back to the <hr /> tags.Assuming you can use a search function in your text editor, just search for the css selectors [class="(u-line, center, left, and right)"] and in those areas, just: delete 'class="u-line"' and put in a <u> and </u> tag around the text. delete 'class="center"' and put in a <center> and </center> tag. replace 'class="left"' with 'align="left"', and replace 'class="right" with 'align="right"'.The CSS isn't too hard. I'll try and explain it simply, if your interested read on. Or take a quick look at the CSS tutorial, its not hard and it explains it soo much better. If you want all the following explained simpler, just read two pages. This one and the next page.Here goes.In the head section there is this code: <style type="text/css"> body{color: #000066; background: url('beige107.jpg');} .u-line{text-decoration: underline;} .center{text-align: center;} hr{width: 100%;} .left{float:left;} .right{float:right;}</style> <style type="text/css"> tells the browser this section is all css code.body{...} selects the html body tag.You can swap 'body' for any html tag that you want to target. If you want to apply css to 'paragraphs' it would be:p{...}links would be:a{...}etc.The code between the braces {...} is pretty self explanatory. There is always - property: value;properties include things like colour of text (color: blue;), font face (font-family: tahoma;) etc. There's quite a few..u-line, .center, .left and .right are all 'class' selectors.To use the code that they refer to: .u-line{text-decoration: underline;} //creates an underline. .center{text-align: center;} //aligns text to the middle .left{float:left;} // 'floats' element to the left .right{float:right;} // " " right //floats are pretty unique I suppose, and I won't explain them here. //Although with images and text they have a nice effect. You need to add [class=u-line] to the HTML tag you want underlined.You use the same name, just take the dot away.So if you want to use basic CSS then hopefully you can understand enough to make it look like your own work :)And not change as much code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmw1 Posted August 24, 2009 Author Share Posted August 24, 2009 Hi Reiyan,Again thanks for taking the time to walk me through this whole new world called HTML & CSS. Its interesting what you have said about font types, I don't know how many times I asked the lecturer about type of font and what is the best size etc to use and I just kept getting a very non committal answer so at least I know now. I have got assignments coming out of my @ss at the moment and am in an absolute spin, so I do appreciate the help you are giving me in regards to this topic. This one is due in tomorrow, so I will have one last go at it before hand up. Hopefully in a couple of weeks when we are on holidays I will have time to put greater effort into learning more about this subject because to be honest I have quite enjoyed what I have learned so far, and the sad part of the story is this subject is probably one that I'm getting a whole lot more than some of my other subjects that I'm doing.I shall let you know how I get on with my marks, and again thanks for making the effort. CheersJohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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