Site 'shifts' if I delete a table

[THRobinson]

Not sure how to describe this but...I made a page for a site, got it setup how I like etc. then just saved multiple copies of it under different names for each page of the site. When I toggle from one page to the next everything is cool, however, the main page, when I delete no longer needed tables, the site shifts to one side by a good 15px.I have a table setup at 950px wide set to centre of the screen. Inside that table I have tables and tables-in-tables etc... and its when I delete the inner-inner tables it shifts. The overall size remains at 950px and centre.Any ideas why it would do that?I have a 22" Samsung set at 1680x1050, and I have viewed the site on my Mac (Safari) and my PC (IE8/FireFox3) and same thing, though a buddy of mine has a 19" monitor and says he barely sees the shift.I'm also using Dreamweaver CS3 on a PC, if makes a difference.Can anyone spot what I'm missing? Not really a web designer, just learning as I go so, probably obvious what I missed to most people.ThanksShifthttp://www.thomashrobinson.com/shift001.htmlNo Shift (the way it should be compared to the other pages)http://www.thomashrobinson.com/shift002.htmlScreen Shot Samplehttp://www.thomashrobinson.com/test.jpg

[THRobinson]

... ug... I think I may have it figured out....scroll bar on the right side disappears. Friend didn't see it because at 1024x768 there is always a scroll bar...

[ShadowMage]

Just an FYI, tables shouldn't be used for layout.

[THRobinson]

I have no idea how to do it otherwise... and sadly not enough time to learn. :)What should be used? To keep things in a grid tables seemed the right way...Also, if anyone knows... is there a way to centre the site ignoring the scrollbar?Thanks

[jeffman]

The easiest thing is to always have a scrollbar. That way everything is guaranteed to look the same. Quick and dirty approach? Make this the last element of your document, right before the closing </html> tag:<div style="height:2000px"></div>There are more elegant approaches, depending on whether you have a footer, if it's a sticky footer, and so on.

[thescientist]

I have no idea how to do it otherwise... and sadly not enough time to learn. :)What should be used? To keep things in a grid tables seemed the right way...Also, if anyone knows... is there a way to centre the site ignoring the scrollbar?Thanks

Using <div>'s and CSS. Often, people use margin: 0 auto on a container div in order to center their site with the available window size, and typically they will make the width of that container something like 80% or 960px to ensure that it looks good in most window sizes.

[THRobinson]

Ah, sadly I don't know CSS... would like to and plan to learn, but for now, I need a site up ASAP so I can send out resumes and such as a designer (print design mainly, not web) and photography.But I'll copy that tidbit of info down and once I have a site up, I'll try working on CSS for a revised version of the site.Thanks guys.

[marry]

I think u should search your query on Google. I hope u will find it.

[THRobinson]

It's all good... did the div tag and added space at the bottom and just kept the scrollbar there.Tried searching online for the initial problem which I couldn't find a solution... likely because nothing was wrong, just didn't think to check the scroll bar as the cause.