Baxtex Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 HelloI have been using html for a while and i want to start learning HTML5, but shuld you save the files like you do normaly? Like mywebsite.htm ?EDIT:As i said, i'm going to start Learing HTML5. I Have only done HTML4 before, but do i need to know like CSS for this? W3 schools says the following: "New features to HTML5:The canvas element for drawingThe video and audio elements for media playbackBetter support for local offline storageNew content specific elements, like article, footer, header, nav, sectionNew form controls, like calendar, date, time, email, url, search"I understand that you can get a "good-looking" site without the need for Flash,CSS and Javascript, or am i wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffman Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Yes, though it's more common practice to use the full .html extension. Not necessarily better; just more conventional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxtex Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 Yes, though it's more common practice to use the full .html extension. Not necessarily better; just more conventional.Thanks! As i have understand it, in DOS, you could just have 3 letters as an extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffman Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Yeah. Ancient file systems drove the 3-letter file extensions. Thank goodness we are past that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxtex Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thescientist Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 you may not need flash, but you will still want to use CSS and Javascript. Better support for not having to rely on third party plugins and is the main advancement being made with HTML5 (and cleaning up a lot of deprecated habits and other various enhancements). However, that has nothing to do with keeping markup/content separate from style/layout (CSS) and/or interactivity (Javascript). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxtex Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 @thescientistI don't really understand what you mean:"Better support for not having to rely on third party plugins and is the main advancement being made with HTML5 (and cleaning up a lot of deprecated habits and other various enhancements). However, that has nothing to do with keeping markup/content separate from style/layout (CSS) and/or interactivity (Javascript)."There is support for not using third party plugins (like CSS) but still I should use it? Sounds strange that they want to add support for not using them when i am going to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowMage Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 There is support for not using third party plugins (like CSS) but still I should use it? Sounds strange that they want to add support for not using them when i am going to?CSS is not a plugin. It is a (markup? somebody correct me) language.Third party plugins are things like Quicktime, Flash, and Shockwave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thescientist Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 CSS is not a plugin. It's meant to be used in conjunction with HTML to style and layout a page. HTML just provides the structure by which content can be embedded/shown on a page. Javascript is a scripting language that can be executed within a browser to add interactivity and added functionality to a webpage (but can also be disabled by the user). Flash is developed by Macromedia (since bought out by Adobe) as plugin that is not a standard of the W3C and requires special software to be downloaded and installed in a users web browsers. Without the flash plugin, you cannot view Flash content. With HTML5, you can achieve more of the features that a Flash enabled site would offer, without actually having to have Flash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffman Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Used correctly, HTML without CSS is only good for very bland-looking business-style reports. You can't even change the font or add color without CSS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxtex Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 Okay!But i have heard that some people don't want to use Flash (Apple Ipad somebody?) and Java anymore beacuse it takes to much "performance/power" from the computer, and that HTML5 is the right way to go beacuse HTML5 can offer features that Flash have, but without flash? IS this what you are saying "thescientist"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thescientist Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 pretty much. It could also be explained from the technical perspective of reducing dependancies, in that everything you need is in one "location", in this case within the HTML5 specification, thus not needing to rely on outside sources to achieve the functionality you want. Another perspective is that getting behind HTML5 supports a more open and standard web (which is one of Apple's reasons for not supporting it on their mobile and tablet browsers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxtex Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 OkWell then i know little more at least.Edit:Was just about to create a new document when i realized that i haven't added any Doctype. i looked on http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html and it said that there weren't any standard for HTML5 yet. Shuld i just ignore this for now?(adding a doctype) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffman Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Browsers typically render a document differently depending on the doctype, and especially if there is none. This is a special problem with Internet Explorer, which uses extremely diferent rules for rendering a document when no doctype is present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowMage Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 Browsers typically render a document differently depending on the doctype, and especially if there is none. This is a special problem with Internet Explorer, which uses extremely diferent rules for rendering a document when no doctype is present.In other words, no, don't ignore the doctype.The doctype for HTML 5 is just:<!DOCTYPE html> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxtex Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 In other words, no, don't ignore the doctype.The doctype for HTML 5 is just:<!DOCTYPE html>Aaa, i thought DOCTYPE html was something they wrote beacuse it wasn't decieded yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffman Posted March 31, 2011 Share Posted March 31, 2011 The official DTD page you linked to does in fact say that this DTD is not standard. But neither is HTML5. They are so close to being standardized that browsers recognize them and behave correctly, however. And I expect the <!DOCTYPE html> will become official very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxtex Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spunky Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 With HTML5, you can achieve more of the features that a Flash enabled site would offer, without actually having to have Flash.What exactly can be achieved with HTML5 that can be achieved with Flash? Like..HTML5 supports, video and audio..but as for actually creating "flash" creations...is the canvas feature used in some way other than the examples on w3schools where all the images are stationary? I have a small bit of flash on my site, slides through images and can be controlled with buttons, and I was thinking, oh, I will use HTML5 and eliminate the need for Flash, but then when I went to the tutorial, I didn't find anything useful to me.In other words, no, don't ignore the doctype.The doctype for HTML 5 is just:<!DOCTYPE html>What if your site primarily uses HTML4? Would it still validate if you use the old doctype and have HTML5 incorporated as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowMage Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 What exactly can be achieved with HTML5 that can be achieved with Flash? Like..HTML5 supports, video and audio..but as for actually creating "flash" creations...is the canvas feature used in some way other than the examples on w3schools where all the images are stationary? I have a small bit of flash on my site, slides through images and can be controlled with buttons, and I was thinking, oh, I will use HTML5 and eliminate the need for Flash, but then when I went to the tutorial, I didn't find anything useful to me.Have a look at this:http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/creatin...h-html-5-can-1/What if your site primarily uses HTML4? Would it still validate if you use the old doctype and have HTML5 incorporated as well?If you use HTML 5 tags and attributes, then no, it will not validate against any other DTD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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