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Hello again, It would seem that the final piece of my puzzle doesn't want to play nice. I've wrapped my footer links and text in a <div> and styled everything so that the footer is nice and centered, filling the width of the site_wrap <div> it is all within nicely- that is in IE any way. In Firefox there are clearly differences between font width (which should just be font-size), line-height, font-weight, letter-spacing and word-spacing. To combat this, I tired styling each of these properties with exact values (in case browser-default stylesheets were slightly different) as follows in the bottom 5 properties: #bottom_links { width: 1200px; align: center; margin: 0 auto; position: relative; top: -60px; left: 20px; font-size: 11.3px !important; font-weight: 300 !important; line-height: 15px !important; letter-spacing: 0px !important; word-spacing: 0px !important; } Note- the !important's shouldn't even be needed as there are no other calls to #bottom_links any closer to the content, but I even tried it in case. Yet none of this styling had any effect. The result didn't change a bit: An example of this has been posted at http://www.surefireny.com/footer_problems.html as I am sure I must be missing something in the code or CSS