I am new at this and am not sure I know what you are talking about. I can fiddle with it tomorrow. What do you think about what I have done so far. Like I said. Their are no links yet but I am just starting my home page over. Here is the link to my new page www.littleflowergoldens.com/littleflowernew/index1.html and her is my old frames site ,www.littleflowergoldens.com, I am trying to change from frames to CSS