gawain Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 Hi everybody.I was wondering if there is a way to protect html code, so that if someone tries to see the page source, nothing turns out. Sometimes it happened to me to check the source page, and almost nothing would appear. I thinks is a "protection masure", but maybe I'm wrongThanks for any hint and help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vchris Posted May 14, 2007 Share Posted May 14, 2007 Nope. With frames you only see the parent frames source but there are ways around that. You can disable right clicks but they are ways around that. Bottom line is there is no way to protect it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gawain Posted May 15, 2007 Author Share Posted May 15, 2007 Nope. With frames you only see the parent frames source but there are ways around that. You can disable right clicks but they are ways around that. Bottom line is there is no way to protect it.OK. Thanks a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ste Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 you can make your code very difficult to read by removing a lot of the formating of the html document. basically you remove newlines and unnecessary whitespace in the html document so the entire html document becomes a single line. this would frustrate anyone trying to steal code unless they were quite determined. it's not an out and out solution, but i have seen it done before.remember that when you try to make edits in the future you will also have to deal with a single line with thousands of characters in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vchris Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 With DreamWeaver there is a source formatting command. I can copy/paste his code and it'll add the tabs, new lines and spaces in less than 5 seconds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ste Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 oh right lol, i don't use dreamweaver didnt know that. i never used the technique myself but i have seen it done. article about it here http://www.boutell.com/newfaq/creating/copyprotecthtml.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspnetguy Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 oh right lol, i don't use dreamweaver didnt know that. i never used the technique myself but i have seen it done. article about it here http://www.boutell.com/newfaq/creating/copyprotecthtml.html That article suggests putting copyright notices in your code<!-- Copyright 2005, example.com. All Rights Reserved. We will take legal action against those who copy our HTML content, CSS style sheets and JavaScript functions. -->Good luck trying to enforce that. You would have to build crawlers to constantly be searching the web for copies of your code. And if you were stupid enough to take someone to court for stealing your HTML code then have fun proving you are the original author.Making any effort to protect your HTML is just a waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamess Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 in PHP i know you can restrict direct access to a file, but i cant really remember how!You could always make your site with a user system, and make every site except the index a user only page, so people have to register to steal your code? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspnetguy Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 what is the benefit in that? Besides you'll lose users because most people won't register and login unless it is information they really want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamess Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 well some people might just give up and try to steal off someone else who doesnt use a user system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspnetguy Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Yes, and most users will just leave the site and read the information somewhere else toowhy make it harder for your users to get what they want in a futile attempt to protect something that you can't protect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justsomeguy Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 aspnetguy is right, and I'll say it again, but I'll use fancy formatting this time to try to get the point across that this statement does not require any discussion:It is never possible to protect HTML, CSS, or Javascript codeAnything you try can be circumvented. If anyone doesn't believe me, instead of replying and saying "but but..", just post a link to a "protected" page and I'll be happy to paste the code for you. I cannot think of a single circumstance that would deny me from seeing the code. The very nature of the internet (the fact that it is designed specifically to distribute data) makes protecting the code impossible. Any attempts at obfuscating the code can be circumvented easily, HTML Tidy is a free plugin for many text editors that will auto-format HTML code. PSPad is one free text editor that includes HTML Tidy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anders Moen Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 justsomeguy:You are very, very wrong now. There is one way to protect it: don't publish your sites hahaSorry...that was a bit off-topic or?Anyways, if the page is public everybody can view your source - sorry to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justsomeguy Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 justsomeguy:You are very, very wrong now. There is one way to protect it: don't publish your sites hahaThat's exactly right - the only way to not give people access to your code is to.. not give them access. If I can pull up your site in a browser, I can get your code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skemcin Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Protecting your rendered HTML code is as foolish a concept as preventing from other people from using the same language you speak. I can't prevent you from using "Skemcin" so I can't prevent you from using view-source:http://www.iribbit.net/i/Its the brain behind the rendering that can only be copyrighted - that is the source code if you're not catching my analogy. Don't give anyone access to your source code or compile it, and you're safe (for the most part).The real understanding to have is that if somebody REALLY wants something, they will find away to get it. If they succeed, I just hope you have means to prosecute them - if not, be flattered that your stuff was impression enough to warrant such an attempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justsomeguy Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I guy I know said that the only thing that we have that our competitors do not have is our people. People can take all the HTML code I produce that they want, they can rip whatever they want off. But when someone is looking for a site as good as the ones I make, they are going to come to me, not to the guy who copied my code.Don't worry about stopping others from copying your work, you won't be able to, just make sure you stay one step ahead of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skemcin Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I guy I know said that the only thing that we have that our competitors do not have is our people. People can take all the HTML code I produce that they want, they can rip whatever they want off. But when someone is looking for a site as good as the ones I make, they are going to come to me, not to the guy who copied my code.Don't worry about stopping others from copying your work, you won't be able to, just make sure you stay one step ahead of them.^ what I was trying to say, but articulated much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 aspnetguy is right, and I'll say it again, but I'll use fancy formatting this time to try to get the point across that this statement does not require any discussion:It is never possible to protect HTML, CSS, or Javascript code I'll just add Images to that as well.Protecting your rendered HTML code is as foolish a concept as preventing from other people from using the same language you speak. I can't prevent you from using "Skemcin"What is that anyway? What does the name mean? It's not in any language I use (bilingual). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justsomeguy Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 It is an anagram for "sick men", maybe that sheds some light. Or maybe "nick ems", his name must be Nick and he is a paramedic in his spare time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 It is an anagram for "sick men", maybe that sheds some light.Then shouldn't the name be "Skamcin"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justsomeguy Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Paramedics here are called EMS. It stands for Emergency Medical.. Something. EMS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Paramedics here are called EMS. It stands for Emergency Medical.. Something. EMS.No, I meant for the namagar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justsomeguy Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Ahh. Yeah, I guess he's not sick men.is anyone still following this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skemcin Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 lol - this is funny - interesting insight.Reminds me of Saving Private Ryan where they try to guess what Captain Miller did back in the states before the war.What is the pool to now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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