Grand_master Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 I was wondering how many forum members are certified for XHTML/CSS? And in what way has the certification improved your career/life?I myself got certified this morning by W3Schools, but missed the Excellency Degree by just one question ... Ah well, better luck next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Goat Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 I don't know.I probably could be if I wanted to, I just havent yet. LGEdit: maybe not... I don't have that much money floating around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott100 Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 me neither well not with w3schools anyway!!Well done in becoming certified though, you should now progress onto a server side language and some JavaScirpt, that would help your cv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_master Posted April 24, 2006 Author Share Posted April 24, 2006 Aw, comen on, it's not THAT expensive. :)Thanks, Scott100, I'm doing that right now. JavaScript is certainly more complicated. Hope I can get through it without falling asleep too many times. :)Valete! (That's latin for "take care") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspnetguy Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 I haven't been certified by w3schools but I have a college degree in Web Development...if that counts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpoer Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 I have a big ego when it comes to web building, but nope, I'm not W3Schools Certified. I'd like to be, but like others, money is a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon Branigin Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 i dont have the money and i dont have somone reputable to watch me. When i go to college that will be the time for me to certify myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 I'm certified, I just don't have the money and thus not the certificate to prove it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skemcin Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 I can pass all the quizes w3schools offers as warm up without any issue. I do not feel that $60 is a reasonable price to pay for the documentation. I'd pay $25 or maybe $40 buto nly if there was some way of attaching some larger corporate endorsement. I'd rather pay $150 and get my Cold Fusion Certified Developer title and have the benefits that come along with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_master Posted April 26, 2006 Author Share Posted April 26, 2006 Wow, everyone seems to have some negative opinion about W3Schools, especially the moderators Why is that? I'm starting to regret having spent the $60 dollars. But, then again, I only wanted the certificate to show people I'm capable of manipulating XHTML/CSS, and not because I'm making it my career (which is, hopefully, a BA in Philosophy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Wow, hold on a minute. None of us have a negative attitude against w3schools.com, on the contrary. W3Schools.com is a great site with thorough free tutorials, and it's the best resource for webdevelopers. The question is if an employer would see W3schools.com Certificate as a College Diploma/Degree/Certificate, and if not, perhaps it is overcharging. Webdevelopers will probably know w3schools, but an employer who has never heard of w3schools.com, only knows that he/she needs a website for this and that, and it's easier to recognise a college name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott100 Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Webdevelopers will probably know w3schools, but an employer who has never heard of w3schools.com, only knows that he/she needs a website for this and that, and it's easier to recognise a college name.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> How much weight does W3Schools' Online Certification Program have?Anyone ever seen a job advert saying you must be educated to w3schools level in html or asp for example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 How much weight does W3Schools' Online Certification Program have?Anyone ever seen a job advert saying you must be educated to w3schools level in html or asp for example?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Egggzackly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johneva Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 I agree the site is fantasic for learning the basics and using for refrence but I would not spend the money on a certification that is not recognised by employers.Infact most web developer jobs normally ask for people who are trained to a degree level here in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspnetguy Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Yeah, in Canada, most job ads ask for University or college degrees or lots of industry experience. Besides, just being certifie in HTML will get you nowhere. You need much more than that to obtain a full time web development job these days.The opportunities I see near where I live require(X)HTML, CSS, JavaScript, XML, SQL Server or MySQL, and ASP.Net or JAVA(JSP) or PHP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johneva Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Yep same here too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 The opportunities I see near where I live require(X)HTML, CSS, JavaScript, XML, SQL Server or MySQL, and ASP.Net or JAVA(JSP) or PHP.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> And very often all of those combined, plus Oracle, MSSQL, XSLT, ColdFusion, DHTML and AJAX as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_master Posted April 26, 2006 Author Share Posted April 26, 2006 Yeah, in Canada, most job ads ask for University or college degrees or lots of industry experience. Besides, just being certifie in HTML will get you nowhere. You need much more than that to obtain a full time web development job these days.The opportunities I see near where I live require(X)HTML, CSS, JavaScript, XML, SQL Server or MySQL, and ASP.Net or JAVA(JSP) or PHP.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Okay, then. But what if you just wanted a piece of paper to prove you are capable of manipulating XHTML, but your job isn't creating and maintaining websites, just translating them (I'm a Translator)? I mean, that's gotta be worth something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boen_robot Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Okay, then. But what if you just wanted a piece of paper to prove you are capable of manipulating XHTML, but your job isn't creating and maintaining websites, just translating them (I'm a Translator)? I mean, that's gotta be worth something. Well, nowadays, XHTML is so popular, that you don't need a piece of paper to proove anyone anything. Saying that you could do it is enough for a site developer to give you the job of translating his/her content. Not to mention that most site developers try to separate content from presentation, thus allowing you to concentrate on the content anyway. If you are concerned for the content, you shouldn't proove to anyone any presentational skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspnetguy Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Okay, then. But what if you just wanted a piece of paper to prove you are capable of manipulating XHTML, but your job isn't creating and maintaining websites, just translating them (I'm a Translator)? I mean, that's gotta be worth something.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Plus if you have a small portfolio with some sames of your work, that speaks louder than a piece of paper.I can garuntee that 99% of the time if you don't have the paperwork to prove your competance but have excellent examples of high quality work you have done that will be enough to prove you have hte skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand_master Posted April 27, 2006 Author Share Posted April 27, 2006 Plus if you have a small portfolio with some sames of your work, that speaks louder than a piece of paper.Hmmmm. I think here you are definitely right. Why didn't I think of that before. (and to think I could've spent those $60 on another latin grammar) Well, live and learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott100 Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Plus if you have a small portfolio with some sames of your work, that speaks louder than a piece of paper.I can garuntee that 99% of the time if you don't have the paperwork to prove your competance but have excellent examples of high quality work you have done that will be enough to prove you have hte skills.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> I see where you are coming from but in terms of seeking employment in an organisation nearly all adverts i see state that it's essential that you are educated to degree level.This means that if you don't have the qualifications then no interview. If you cant get your foot through the door then you don't have a chance to show off your lovely portfolio of x, y and z.I think there has to be some ballance between education and experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aspnetguy Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I see where you are coming from but in terms of seeking employment in an organisation nearly all adverts i see state that it's essential that you are educated to degree level.This means that if you don't have the qualifications then no interview. If you cant get your foot through the door then you don't have a chance to show off your lovely portfolio of x, y and z.I think there has to be some ballance between education and experience.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Alot of ads I see say a degree in computer science or equivilant industry experience. But I know there are some that won't even look at you with out a degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boen_robot Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Well, maybe not "sky-high" corporations, but smaller ones would. One could always show them the nice portfolio, thus later on writing this in the CV as an experience. Companies that know what they want know that a person is judged by experience and quality, not by a piece of paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skemcin Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 The proof is in the pudding. In today's market, 95% of employers will ask fro sample code - thats shows more competancy than any certificate, portfolio address or rendered source code - especially when dealing with a dynamic language.I know I've made this point before, ah here it is. REview these posts and maybe you will understand a little more about where we (or at least I) am coming from:http://w3schools.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=3701http://w3schools.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=954 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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