I can understand where both sides are coming from.It would be nice to be able to discuss off topic issues here, but that can be done elsewhere.The admins pay for bandwidth. This forum is meant to support the main tutorial site. If they allow an off topic forum, which would be very popular, then they will be paying for users to just chat.I am sure this is not an issue they blew off easily. Infact kajim told me he was in favor of it but was out voted :)So we'll just have to accept their decision. Maybe they may change their minds in the futureEDIT: My forum is now open. Feel free to use my 'off topic' forum if you like.